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ioerror

@zedshaw Sorry. You're mistaken about all of your assertions. Also, you spelled my name wrong.

2010-12-28 14:34:27 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@ataferner @zedshaw @marcinw @torproject Additionally, I have already called the sniffing rumor bullshit; it is evidence free nonsense.

2010-12-28 14:47:28 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror I very seriously doubt your motivations now that you also pimp Wikileaks, and don't use Tor for that reason.

2010-12-28 17:20:09 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

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zedshaw

@ioerror And, you disproving that you didn't do anything wrong doesn't work.

2010-12-28 17:21:28 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@infil00p @ioerror Oh, I have *no* beef with wikileaks, love it actually. Love the idea of Tor too. Just don't trust conflict of interest.

2010-12-28 17:40:49 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw @infil00p What conflict of interest?

2010-12-28 18:11:42 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw The burden of proof is on the accuser.

2010-12-28 18:55:38 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@infil00p @zedshaw There is no conflict. Whistleblowers need strong anonymity as much as anyone probably does.

2010-12-28 18:57:06 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror I laid out my reasons for not using Tor, and provided evidence for why I don't trust it. Sorry, but that's my opinion ATM.

2010-12-28 18:57:31 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror Right, they do, but your active association with both projects puts both in question, but Tor more so.

2010-12-28 18:59:13 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror But, I'll also point out that this is just my reasoning. People are free to use Tor all they want, and probably will anyway.

2010-12-28 18:59:58 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw Actually you provide no evidence, only an emotional rationalization that is nonsensical. If you don't trust me, badexit my nodes.

2010-12-28 19:02:21 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror I provide links to events that have happened and an analysis of why I don't trust it. If you don't like it then don't read it.

2010-12-28 19:03:14 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw Because I have spoken out in support? So run some Tor nodes that you can put your trust in if you're so concerned?

2010-12-28 19:03:25 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw I have seen no links on your @ replys to me... did I miss something?

2010-12-28 19:04:21 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw Yeah. Hundreds of thousands of people.

2010-12-28 19:05:05 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror Oh sorry, twitter is awful for this man: http://sheddingbikes.com/pos...

2010-12-28 19:05:21 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror Yep, just like Cholera.

2010-12-28 19:05:44 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw Wowza. You're incorrect ten ways from Sunday and you compared me to Hitler. World class trolling much?

2010-12-28 19:12:37 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror Uh, I didn't compare you to hitler at all. Saying that is trolling and means you didn't read it.

2010-12-28 19:13:26 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw I read the post. You make an analogy to hitler making a sandwich. Absolutely as ridiculous as rumors without a shred of evidence.

2010-12-28 19:17:45 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw huh? I can't tell if you're trying to be funny or insulting. Honestly.

2010-12-28 19:18:57 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror I made an analogy with Hitler, but I didn't say you were Hitler at all. Show me the quote where I did.

2010-12-28 19:19:33 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror Funny. I'm saying just because a bunch of people have something doesn't mean it's a good thing. Sorry, I'm tired and bored.

2010-12-28 19:20:17 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw How generous of you. Your analogy is ridiculous and you know nothing about the efforts we put into Tor. Insulting beyond measure.

2010-12-28 19:23:08 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror You got a quote from my post where I call you Hitler? If not then you're just deflecting and manipulating opinion.

2010-12-28 19:24:47 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw I take issue with the part where you said "This to me is the Hitler Grilled Cheese of the argument..." amongst other parts.

2010-12-28 19:30:36 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw Why don't you put some time into finding some evidence for the nonsense rumors you're spreading?

2010-12-28 19:31:15 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror That doesn't say you're Hitler at all or even compare you to him, but references the analogy as in "the historical context".

2010-12-28 19:32:50 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw Also, you're basically framing the argument to call me a traitor. On what evidence? Absolute horse shit.

2010-12-28 19:33:13 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror I did, I found various links and information and posted an analysis. Deflect all you want, but my opinion still stands.

2010-12-28 19:33:24 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror I haven't once seen you answer the claims I made. Keep deflecting all you want, but you are why I don't trust Tor.

2010-12-28 19:34:35 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw Yeah, I understand your rhetoric. I think it's offensive, along with your disclaimer of "not an accusation against Jacob" - right.

2010-12-28 19:34:45 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw Most of your links on traffic analysis are old - The Washington DC nodes turned out to be a friendly ISP donating Tor traffic. BFD.

2010-12-28 19:36:07 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror In fact, why don't you write a blog post instead of twitter. I'm tired of looking at your face in my screen.

2010-12-28 19:36:23 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw If you don't trust Tor because of me, you clearly do not understand how Tor works. You can BadExit my nodes buddy.

2010-12-28 19:37:10 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror It can still happen and shows an accidental exploit. Again, more evidence as to why I don't use your project.

2010-12-28 19:37:14 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

zedshaw

@ioerror Can I BadExit your twitter account? Oh why yes I can....

2010-12-28 19:37:35 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw Probably because you posted about this on twitter, where I was notified and decided to reply...

2010-12-28 19:37:49 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw Yeah - a general issue with anonymity networks is Sibil attack issues. What does that have to do with me?

2010-12-28 19:38:50 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw It's interesting because you basically picked a fight with me over some rumors that have no base in reality.

2010-12-28 19:39:25 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw If you have an issue with Tor's threat model, I can respect that. But hardly any of the other points make sense. Why involve me?

2010-12-28 19:39:43 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

@zedshaw Well, it's nice to see that you're able to discuss topics where you personally attack people and call them a traitor. Oh wait.

2010-12-28 19:42:49 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

ioerror

RT @ataferner: Wikileaks, Tor, Betrayal and Conflict of Interest http://s.n0t.net/glMJ86 @ioerror @zedshaw @torproject #wikileaks

2010-12-29 04:20:03 - 返信元ツイートを取得する

 

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